How to Take Maternity Leave When You Are the Business Owner with Dr. Kate Campbell | GP 81

A photo of Dr. Kate Campbell is captured. Dr. Kate Campbell is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with an entrepreneurial spirit. She is the Founder and CEO of Bayview Therapy - a counseling and psychology group practice with offices in Fort Lauderdale and Coral Springs, Florida. Dr. Kate Campbell is featured on the Grow a Group Practice with Alison Pidgeon, they speak about how to take maternity leave when you are the business owner.

Do you have a family and run a business? How can you structure your business to give you some more time away from your family? Which systems should you have set up to maintain your business while you are on leave?

In this podcast episode, Alison Pidgeon speaks with Dr. Kate Campbell about how to take maternity leave as a business owner.

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Meet Dr. Kate Campbell

A photo of Dr. Kate Campbell is captured. She is featured on The Grow A Group Practice, a podcast for group private practice owners with Alison Pidgeon. They speak about how to take maternity leave as a business owner.Dr. Kate Campbell is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with an entrepreneurial spirit. She is the Founder and CEO of Bayview Therapy – a counseling and psychology group practice with offices in Fort Lauderdale and Coral Springs, Florida.

Since 2011, she has grown the brand into a team of 30+ caring and dedicated therapists who are specialized in different areas and are committed to making a difference in the south Florida community.

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In This Podcast

  • Dr. Campbell’s maternity leave tips
  • Do a trial run
  • Make sure to switch off

Dr. Campbell’s maternity leave tips

1 – Saving

Save before and leading up to the time that you go on maternity leave so that you can take those three months off and still pay yourself a monthly salary.

2 – Systemize as much as you can

I looked at all of the repetitive tasks, I looked at what I could automate as much as possible so that everything would be taken care of. (Dr. Kate Campbell)

For instance, if you are a solopreneur, you can automate:

  • New client intakes,
  • Emails,
  • Phone calls to voice mail or set up a recording system.

If you are a group practice owner, you can delegate:

  • And produce videos that explain basic systems for your employees to watch when they need quick answers,
  • Provide your clinicians and admin with scripts for how to respond to clients in different scenarios,
  • Use Google Drive as a placeholder for information,
  • Have your VA or admin, someone that you trust, take over client relations while you are out of office.

Do a trial run

Once you have laid out how you want the systems to work and have set up your automation, take a three-week vacation before your three-month maternity leave to test out how your automated and systemized business will run while you are away.

Once you systemize everything, take a vacation … it was like a test to ensure that all of the systems that we had in place were going to run like clockwork and they did, so that gave me the confidence to know that: “okay, we’re ready for maternity leave”. (Dr. Kate Campbell)

If there are any kinks, then you have some time to iron them out before the real maternity leave begins after your few-week test leave period.

Make sure to switch off

When you are on maternity leave, try to be present there instead of thinking about work constantly.

Put your trust in the employees that you have hired, trust the systems that you worked hard to set up, and know that in the minor chance that a hiccup occurs, it can be worked through, so remember that on the whole everything is fine.

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Meet Alison Pidgeon, Group Practice Owner

An image of Alison Pidgeon is displayed. She is a successful group practice owner and offers private practice consultation for private practice owners to assist in how to grow a group practice. She is the host of Grow A Group Practice Podcast and one of the founders of Group Practice Boss.Alison Pidgeon, LPC is the owner of Move Forward Counseling, a group practice in Lancaster, PA and she runs a virtual assistant company, Move Forward Virtual Assistants.

Alison has been working with Practice of the Practice since 2016.  She has helped over 70 therapist entrepreneurs start and grow their businesses, through mastermind groups and individual consulting.

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[ALISON] We are pleased to have the Therapy For Your Money Podcast as a sponsor for this podcast. Are you ready to make data-driven financial decisions for your private practice? You’re in luck. Check out the Therapy For Your Money Podcast, a podcast all about money and finance for therapists and private practice owners hosted by Julie Herres. As an accountant and owner of Green Oak Accounting, Julie chats with industry experts about a number of financial topics from KPI tracking to group practice compensation. Head over to to listen to the latest episodes, take a look at their therapist resources and much more.

You are listening to the Grow a Group Practice podcast. Whether you were thinking about starting a group practice or in the beginning stages, or want to learn how to scale up your already existing group practice, you are in the right place. I’m Alison Pidgeon, your host, a serial entrepreneur with four businesses, one of which is a large group practice that I started in 2015. Each week, I feature a guest or topic that is relevant to group practice owners. Let’s get started.

Hi, I’m Alison Pidgeon your host. I’m so glad that you joined me today. I have a great interview with Dr. Kate Campbell, and we talk about a very important topic and that is, do you take maternity leave when you are the group practice owner? So it’s something Kate experienced and I have experienced as well. So we have a good conversation about that. So if that’s something that you are considering or are going to be dealing with soon this is a great interview to listen to. We also talk with Kate about the model for her group practice. She is not only a licensed and marriage family therapist, but she’s also the founder and CEO of Bayview Therapy, which is located in Fort Lauderdale and Coral Springs, Florida. She has a very unique business model and she explains in the interview.

She has been in business since 2011. She has over 30 caring and dedicated therapists. She also is the co-founder of a business called the Private Practice Startup, where she inspires mental health professionals to grow their dream practices. Is she and her co-founder Katie have a podcast of the same name, the Private Practice Startup and she also has two young boys and is married to her husband, Brent, who’s also an entrepreneur. So Dr. Kate has lots of things going on and we talk about kind of how she juggles everything and more importantly, she has lots of great tips about how to prepare your practice for walking away for a long period of time as she did when she went on maternity leave. So I hope you enjoy this interview with Dr. Kate Campbell.
[ALISON] Hi, Kate, welcome to the podcast.
[KATE CAMPBELL] Hi, Alison. So glad to be here.
[ALISON] Yes, it’s so nice to connect with you. I’m excited to talk to you about all the different things that you’re doing. But first, before we get into all of my questions, can you give us an introduction about all of the things that you do?
[KATE] Yes, of course. I am the founder and CEO of Bayview Therapy. It’s a counseling and psychology group, private practice located in south Florida. We have our first office that we opened in 2011 in Fort Lauderdale and then we expanded the brand and opened an additional office this past February in Coral Springs. I, myself got into private practice in about 2006 so I’ve got a ton of experience there. And just over the years, I was always organically coaching other private practitioners who wanted to know how is it that you built what you built, because we’re not really taught how to do the business side of things and marketing in school. We’re taught to be great clinicians. So I also have a different company that’s an online company. Some of you all may have heard of it called the Private Practice Startup that’s with my business partner and co-founder Katie. So I’ve got the two companies and it’s really amazing because there’s a lot of overlap and a lot of impact, we’re able to have both in the community with helping clients and their families. And then also on the clinician side, being able to help therapists to build thriving practices and live lives that they love.
[ALISON] Nice. And do you still see clients as well?
[KATE] Good question. I was juggling the three until I went on maternity leave in December of 2019. I decided to step back from seeing clients at that point, because I wanted to be able to have a greater work life balance as I was adding a second child to our growing family. So I’ve got two boys just to let you all know. My youngest is a year and a half now, and my oldest is six and having two boys and a husband and a family and then two businesses is a lot to juggle on top of seeing clients. So I decided to step back from seeing clients in 2019 when I went on maternity leave and it was a natural transition and it really allowed me to be more involved in the Bayview brand on a higher level as the founder and an investor. And this was really, really important because it would allow me to continue to grow the brand and grower team and provide coaching and systemize the business and add multiple locations, all of those really important aspects. But if I was still continuing to see clients and staying in the therapy room, then, you know, I was in that dollars for hour mentality and I wouldn’t be able to really grow the brand and grow the business because there’s only so many hours in the day.
[ALISON] Right. I did the same thing actually, when I’m mater leave and decided at that point that I was going to retire for me as a clinician. So I don’t have any regrets. Do you miss it at all?
[KATE] Me neither. You know what? I don’t. Honestly, I feel like it has been the greatest decision because I feel like I’m able to make the difference that I want to make in our community in a whole different way. Now, instead of me seeing 15, I mean, at my most amount of clients that I was seeing, I was seeing anywhere between like 20 to 22 max clients a week. That was way back in the day before I had to scale back, but now we’re able to impact hundreds of clients each week that come through our office and their partners and their families and the community. So I feel like being able to take a step back and focus on the higher level of the business has allowed me to really make a greater impact in so many ways, not to mention the team members that join us at Bayview Therapy. I’m able to help them to really fill the practice with the clients that they love working with, that they feel called to serve, and also help them to get greater work life by their own life, because they’re getting paid much, much more than what they would be making in a traditional agency or treatment program type setting. So there’s a lot of ways that I’ve been able to really make a greater impact, and I find that extremely fulfilling.
[ALISON] What about you? Yes. I was actually just going to say same thing for me. Like, I feel like I can make such a better impact, like running the business and hiring clinicians and making sure we’re really giving great clinical care. And I don’t necessarily need to be the one doing that anymore. Yes, like my time is better spent, like you said, you’re sort of like increasing the volume and the positive services that you’re providing. So yes, I feel the same.
[KATE] Awesome. You and I are in alignment.
[ALISON] Yes. So I’m curious if you could kind of give us an overview of the, the business model that you with your practice, because I know you have a lot of clinicians and we were talking a little bit before about how you’re not kind of doing the traditional model of like my practice, where we have like W2 employees and that kind of thing. So could you take a couple minutes and explain what that looks like?

Yes, of course. So when I first started the group practice in 2011, I created a business model and wanted to do things a bit differently. I didn’t want to, well, I had had experience myself that kind of put a not great taste in my mouth. So I wanted to go about things in a different way where I could really meet clinicians where they were at and where clinicians who maybe whether they only had a few clients on their caseload or they have a fuller practice I could meet them where they’re at and they’re not drowning in overhead expenses as they’re trying to build their caseload and focus on all of the wonderful world of entrepreneurship that they’re not taught how to navigate in school.
[ALISON] So I wanted to be able to create a real estate model where we provide a beautifully designed spa like office and it’s available for rent by the hour so that we were able really meet the clinicians where they’re at. So each team member that’s on our team, we have over 30 team members now between both of our locations, they’re all incorporated. They have their own malpractice insurance and they’re all in charge of their own business. And what I’ve found is that this motivates the team members to take ownership of their business, to market their own niche, and they have the freedom to be able to make their own decisions regarding who their ideal clients are, what schedule they work, when they take vacations, what their fees are, and all of those types of decisions that, or a lot of the reasons as to why clinicians get into private practice in the first place.

I know they were for me. So it’s really been kind of the best of both worlds, I guess you could say, being that everybody has their own independent business while also being in a collaborative and supportive team environment. So it’s not just like their solopreneurs out there on an island, by themselves, seeing clients all day. There’s the team aspect to it that’s a big part of our brand. It’s almost like our culture that we’ve created. It’s almost like we’re a family and it’s very supportive and positive. We don’t believe in competition. It’s all about collaboration and there’s a ton of support that’s built in, within that infrastructure, which makes it a really powerful thing to be a part of. And we do a lot of marketing to I mean, we’ve got a great brand recognition and reputation in our community because we’ve been established for so long.

We do a lot of online marketing as well. So we’re able to have the opportunity to make a lot of referrals to our team and then each clinician is also responsible to market their own niche as well. So it’s kind of, again, that both and approach and being that we’ve set it up in this way, it’s just, I’ve loved our business model and it’s just been something that our team has loved as well. And it’s a little bit unique compared to a lot of the other types of business models that are out there. And being that we’re in the state of Florida legally, we don’t have to have employees. So we have more freedom to be able to set up the business model in this way. And of course I’ve consulted with many healthcare law attorneys over the years and we have a lot of different steps and aspects on the legal side of things to make sure everything is set up properly and all of that stuff. But I won’t bore you with all that information.
[ALISON] Yes. So I’m curious then, do you offer them any other kind of amenities in addition to here’s a really beautiful office space that you can work out of, like you’re marketing, like the practice as a whole, it sounds like. Like, are they sort of paying more than just rent to get other things?
[KATE] It comes with instant alignment with our brand and we have such a great reputation in the community. So there’s that instant credibility being associated with Bayview Therapy. And then we do a ton of marketing for the team and we’re able to provide a lot of referrals and fill people’s caseloads really, really quickly within months. So it’s a lot more than just the office space rental. There’s opportunities for coaching and mentorship and trainings and networking. And there’s all sorts of, there’s a lot of value that comes with it. It’s not just the renting of the office space and that’s it.
[ALISON] And do you provide like admin support as well, or is that up to them to figure that out?
[KATE] So the way that we have everything set up is that we have one main phone number for Bayview. We have an assistant, we have a client care coordinator and our client care coordinator basically takes all of the intake calls coming in and assesses what the client’s needs and goals are. We look at a lot of different levels in order to make that best match in terms of referrals for the team. So there’s admin support in that capacity. Each person who owns their own business, some of them have a VA or an assistant. Some of them don’t. It really is just a personal preference. That’s up to them because they do own their own business. But there is a lot of support that comes from our assistant and client care coordinator.
[ALISON] Nice. So I imagine that as the owner, it’s pretty hands off in terms of having to manage the staff or, I mean, obviously you’re having to do the marketing and that kind of thing, but that sounds like not as much responsibility as having an employee-based practice.
[ALISON] Yes. Over the years, I mean, since we just had a decade of being a group practice, we’ve evolved so much and grown so much and I’ve learned so much, made a lot of mistakes along the way. And at this point for the past few years, I’ve had the business really systemized so that I can be on that founder investor level. I can really be as involved as I want to be, or if I want to step back, for example, last year well, December 19, I took a three month maternity leave and I know we’ll touch on the maternity leave aspect a little bit later on in the conversation and the business was growing month over month. It continued to grow month over month. Every thing operated seamlessly without me being involved at all and it allowed me to see that, wow, I don’t need to be on site. I don’t need to be as involved because we have the support. We have the infrastructure, all the systems in place so that the business is running like clockwork.

Mike Michalowicz’s book Clockwork is a great book to read because it is something that really gets you thinking in that direction. It’s something that I read in preparation for maternity leave and then when I came back from maternity leave, we went smack into the pandemic. We went on lockdown the same week that I came back from maternity leave. I remember it was March 13th, Friday the 13th. I had been in the office for three days and all of a sudden we went on lockdown. So that was definitely an interesting thing to navigate as a business, as a leader and for the team and our community and clients and all of that stuff but it also allowed me to see that I didn’t need to be a onsite.

You know, I was working remotely from home and I actually traveled up to Michigan. We have a lake house, a family lake house up in Michigan, and I was up there for three months and the business continued to run like clockwork. So in 2020, I really was away, not onsite for the business for six months and we have continued to have our most profitable year over year, each year. Each month over month, we’re continuing to grow and grow and grow. So it’s taken a long time to get to this point and a lot of hard work and like I was saying earlier, a lot of mistakes along the way, but it’s pretty neat to see what we’ve created and to be able to have this level of impact.
[ALISON] Yes. I’m really glad you brought up the book, Clockwork. It’s funny. I actually was reading the same book right around the time I found out I was pregnant with our third child. So I was like, “Oh, we got to get this going like now because I’m going to go on maternity leave for three months.” But do you think that, like, when you said like the practice still ran well without you, did you put somebody else in charge? Is there somebody who’s sort of like taken over a lot of the tasks that you used to do or is it just like you had set up the systems and automated so much that it can really run without somebody necessarily being the point person?
[KATE] Yes. I’ve outsourced as much as possible with bookkeeping and accounting and blogs and appearances and SEO and tech work and all of that stuff. And then we have an assistant and client care coordinator and we also have a team lead. So our therapist, we have an identified therapist on site who’s the team lead who has a little bit more responsibility for being on site and there and available if needed. But pretty much because of everything that I have automated and because of the support that we do have, that’s what allows me to really take that step back. I’m still involved on a high level and I care so deeply about the team and they’re like our family. So I’m still involved on the coaching aspect and with the marketing and the team meetings that we have and all of that. So it’s not like I’m completely hands off radio silent for six months. I’m still connected, but just in a very different way.
[ALISON] Right, right. Yep. I can totally relate to that. So I wanted to ask you about going on maternity leave because I know a lot of therapists tend to be female. So at some point they may be going on maternity leave and obviously it’s one thing if you’re a clinician and it’s a whole nother thing, if you’re like the boss and you own the practice. So I’m just curious kind of what you put in place knowing you were going to be off for three months and if you had any tips for group practice owners who might be in a similar situation.
[KATE] Yes. I learned so much from my first experience with my maternity leave and I want, wanted to do things so differently the second time around. My first maternity to leave was in 2015 and at that time I had a full practice, full caseload. I was seeing probably about 20 clients a week. The Private Practice Startup was very early on in its early years. So it was a side hustle at that point. It hadn’t grown into as big of a company as it is now but I really made a lot of mistakes then. I struggled to put myself first, I guess you could say. I did not take enough time off. I didn’t have things systemized enough. I didn’t outsource enough and I really didn’t honor what I needed to fully heal. So I made a lot of mistakes and struggled during that time and I got my own therapy about that. I actually got training, specialized in maternal mental health and that became a new niche that I was working with people with.

So long story short when it came to be for my second maternity leave, I did a lot of prep work about that. I had grown a lot since then since there was almost, there was over five years difference between my first pregnancy and my second child that was born. I did have some miscarriages in the meantime. So there was a lot of struggles that went in there but what I did learn is that I wanted to do things differently. I wanted to be fully present at home when I was at home on maternity leave to actually really enjoy the experience. I gave myself permission to really honor what I needed to heal. I had a lot of support in place with my own therapist and family and friends. And I took a full three months off, completely off from both businesses without feeling guilty, which was a big thing and there’s a lot of prep work that I did to prepare for that.

So I had really bad morning sickness. It wasn’t really morning sickness. It was like all day sickness with both of my pregnancies. So with my second pregnancy, I waited a little bit longer to disclose to my clients that I was pregnant because I had had some miscarriages and I just wanted to feel like I was in the safe zone before I actually disclosed that to them. But I guess, it let me take a step back. So this is going to be a little bit different considering if you are a group practice owner or a solopreneur and where you are in your journey as either one of those. So the first thing that I did is that I really started saving. I am a profit first lover. Shout out to Mike Michalowicz once again.

His book was a game changer for me and I was able to actually take a paid maternity leave, which was amazing. So I set myself up. I’ve been using Profit First for years. So that was very easy for me to do, but that would be a first step. If you’re pregnant, know you’re going to be pregnant, or if you just want to take the whole summer off to travel with your family, check out Profit First. It definitely is a game changer. It can really, really help. So that was one major thing that I did. Another major thing that I did is that I systemized the heck out of my business. So I really looked at all of the repetitive tasks. I looked at what I could automate as much as possible so that everything would be taken care of.

So for example, if you’re a solopreneur, you want to automate things as much as possible so you don’t have to answer the calls or emails or new client intakes or client crisis calls. It’s good to email or to write your emails in advance. So if you go into labor early, you can easily notify your clients and to have colleagues in place that are set up for continuity of care for your caseload. And if you’re a group practice owner, it’s really good to be able to delegate as much as possible. I did a lot of screencast recordings with how-to videos for different repetitive tasks that I needed to have people take over. And I have scripts for how to respond in certain situations and everything is all organized very well in Google Drive. I could not live without Google Drive. I love it. It’s been so great for our team and, and just keeping everything all organized.

And then all client relationships or all client relations and interactions should be managed by your admin. So whether you have a VA or a client care coordinator or an assistant who’s actually on site, having them take care of all of that so it’s off of your plate. And it’s really nice to be able to do a trial run too. So once you systemize everything, take a vacation. I took a three week vacation before I took maternity leave and it was like a test to just ensure that all of the systems that we had in place were going to run like clockwork and it did. So that gave me the confidence to know that, okay, we’re ready for maternity leave in December of 2019.
[ALISON] That’s such a good advice and I feel like that’s something that happens to so many practice owners. Like you just get used to doing the same stuff and you don’t even think like, oh, should I be the one doing this anymore? And then it takes something like knowing you have to go on maternity leave to be like, “Oh wait, I need to find people to do this stuff.” You know, I found that even after I came back from maternity leave, I just had those people still doing all of like the majority of the stuff anyway, because it was like, I didn’t need to be doing it.
[KATE] Isn’t that amazing how we learn those lessons of, oh, this is not dependent on me. I don’t have to do this anymore. This is something that somebody else can do and the business will run and although they might do it a little bit differently, that’s okay.
[ALISON] Right, exactly, because it’s much better to have them do it than it is to have a bazillion tasks on your plate.
[KATE] Yes. Our time is so valuable, especially as you’re growing your family. And I’m sure for many of you who are juggling family and business, it’s very challenging, especially with the pandemic parenting in the past year, 15 months that we’ve been in this pandemic working from home and having schools closed and navigating all of that. No matter what stage you are in the parenting process, it’s a lot to navigate. So being able to get as much as possible about the work tasks that you don’t have to do off of your plate is a game changer.
[ALISON] ‘Yes, absolutely. So I’m just curious. I really don’t like the term work life balance, because I feel like I’m not really sure that exists, but how do you kind of manage all that? Because obviously you said before you had that kind of realization that like, I don’t need to be seeing clients anymore. It’s just kind of one more thing that’s making me feel like I’m working all the time. How do you kind of balance out? Obviously you have the practice and then you have the business coaching that you do, and your family, obviously. So how do you juggle all of those things?
[KATE] Well I have a lot of support. It takes a village. It’s definitely true. And I totally agree with you, the word balance, it’s constantly fluctuating and there’s sometimes where I’m like, “Oh I got this. Everything’s going really well. I’ve got all the balls in the air.” And then there’s other times where something happens and goes sideways and life happens and throws a curve ball and then you’re like, “Wait a minute. This is this is a lot.” So having support is super important. We have a nanny that is home with our youngest. She’s here four days a week. So while she’s here from 8:30 to 5:30, that really gives me the ability to be fully focused on what I need to do for work. And then I have that hard stop at 5:30 where I go into mom mode. So while she’s here, that’s really, really helpful. My husband is a huge part of my support system. He’s also an entrepreneur and he is a big support for both Bayview, the group practice and then the Private Practice Startup as well. So we work really well together as a team. There’s a lot of like divide. Obviously self-care is essential. So I make sure I go to Pilates three times a week.

I do that first and foremost before I dive into the Workday. That really, really helps. And then just being able to take the weekends off and enjoy my family. And if I need to take a long weekend, I’m in charge of my schedule. So I can luckily be as involved with Bayview or take a step back as needed as I want. That’s really up to me. And with a private practice startup, I have a business partner and she’s amazing. We have to stay in touch with each other and communicate about life and what’s going on. And we’ve also developed a really good friendship. So we work really well together and we just have that team working relationship where we’re able to really have each other’s backs and sometimes she’s stepping up and I’m stepping back and I’m stepping up and she’s stepping back and just depending on what’s going on.

So there’s a lot of movement, a lot of moving parts. For me, being able to take vacations is really important, being able to completely step away. We’re getting ready to go to The Bahamas. I’m excited to travel for the first time for Memorial day weekend with some friends of ours and we’ll just take a break from the business and then I’ll be going up to Michigan, to our lake house for about three weeks in June, July timeframe. And during that time, I’m just going to take a complete break from the business. So I think that’s a big part of being able to take that step back and to recharge and having all of those systems set up in place. And then also the support to be able to know that things are going to be okay, everything’s going to run smoothly while you’re gone and if bumps happen, if there’s a bump in the road or an unexpected thing, then we can just work through it.
[ALISON] Yes. So it sounds like you really try to like kind of turn work off or you make a point of not, you know, still checking email or whatever when you’re on a vacation.
[KATE] Yes. I actually have to take the notifications off of my phone so that I have that break because it’s almost a like habit with your phone. When you go to open your phone, all of a sudden you can find yourself in Facebook or in the email and it’s like, “Wait a minute. That’s not even why I opened my phone.” So I have to actually physically disconnect the apps and the notifications. Otherwise I’m not able to always be good at that.
[ALISON] Right. Yes, it was funny because we went to stay at a farm over Easter and they didn’t have Wi-Fi. And I was like, this is amazing.
[KATE] Beautiful.
[ALISON] So like, I would look up, because it’s such a habit, I would look at my phone and be like, oh, there’s no internet. Nothing to look at. Yes, I’m looking forward to going to more places that don’t have Wi-Fi.
[KATE] I know it’s almost like you got to be strategic about that. Where can I go to like have that complete disconnect where it’s not even an option?
[ALISON] Yes. And they didn’t have a TV either, which I really appreciated, which I think like 10 years ago, I would’ve been like, “What? There’s no internet. I can’t stay there.” And now I’m like, “Yes. Amazing.”
[KATE] Totally. It’s so interesting how we evolve as business owners and it’s quite the evolution. If I look at myself 10 years ago, five years ago, two years ago, one year ago, and now, it’s just so interesting how we all evolve and keep learning and growing. I know it will continue to evolve and we’ll keep learning and growing and we’re preparing to open a third location for Bayview Therapy. So I’m excited about that for next year and excited to see what the future holds for things continue to unfold and how we’re able to really make an impact in our community and also in the private practice space as well, with therapists.
[ALISON] Awesome. I know we didn’t talk too much about the, the business coaching that you do. So do you want to kind of give us a little bit of an overview of what provide to therapists? And then I know you also said you had a giveaway for the audience.
[KATE] Yes. So Katie and I have been co-owners, co-founders of the private practice startup for the past seven years, since 2014 and we both had our own successful six figure cash pay private practices for many, many years. And we have loved being able to help other therapists to build their dream private practices, work with the clients that they love and really live their dream lives as well. So we offer a lot of different resources. We have our free podcast. We also have our signature marketing e-course. We have attorney-approved private practice paperwork, and those are the main offers that we provide. We do some coaching as well, of course. And the giveaway that I have for your audience is our dream private practice playbook. And this is the exact formula for how Katie and I have built our six figure private practices and we’ve been able to help so many other therapists to do the same across the globe. So I’ll send you that link. You can add it in the show notes to make it easy for people to find it. And if anybody wants any more information about what we do with the Private Practice Startup, you can go to
[ALISON] Nice. Thank you so much. And if folks want to check out your private practice, how can they see your website?
[KATE] Our south Florida private practice is
[ALISON] Very cool. I actually checked out your website and it’s gorgeous.
[KATE] Thank you. I appreciate that.
[ALISON] Well, it’s been great talking to you, Kate, fellow mom of boys. All of my three are boys as well.
[KATE] Oh, you’ve got three? Yes, you’re a boy mom. They’re so energetic. They love their moms though. So it’s a fun bunch to have.
[ALISON] It is, it is fun.
[KATE] Yes, savour the moment.
[ALISON] Yes, that is true. That is true. You heard my son screaming right before we started recording.
[KATE] Yes, I know that sound well. I was like, I think I hear a kid in the background. Mine’s sleeping over on the other side of the house right now and I’m hiding in the bedroom. So yes, mom life.
[ALISON] Yes, for sure. I love it. So thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us. It’s really interesting to hear about all the things that you’re doing and all your advice about taking maternity leave too, as a group practice owner.
[KATE] Yes, absolutely. It’s been so much fun hanging out with you today and an honor to be on as a guest again.
[ALISON] Thanks.

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