Podcast 92: Reforming adoption and foster care, an interview with Drew and Emily Hale

Drew and Emily with their three beautiful kids!

For Emily and Drew Hale foster care and adoption is at the center of their relationship.

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PoP Culture meet Drew and Emily Hale

Drew and Emily with their three beautiful kids!

Drew and Emily with their three beautiful kids!


Drew and Emily Hale made Traverse City, MI their home in 2008, where they are raising 3 amazing little boys that they adopted out of foster care.

They share a passion for creating community, fostering those in need of love and stability, and raising awareness about the great need for licensed foster homes in Michigan and throughout the country.

It is their firm belief that adoption is not merely a solution for a childless parent, but a solution for parent-less children, thousands of which are waiting for a home. 


What you’ll discover in this private practice podcast:

6:14 What someone said about he podcast

13:13 What was “mind blowing” for Drew

21:15 How to change the mindset of adoption

26:55 What Drew and Emily are planning

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Podcast 92: Reforming Adoption And Foster Care, An Interview With Drew And Emily Hale

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[0:07] This is the practice of the practice podcast with joe santa session number ninety two.
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Secession ninety two can you believe are approaching the hundred mark.
I can’t wait for the hundred mark i have a very special guests set up for yeah at the hundred mark so that’s gonna be just like he weeks away from now.
So what.
Crazy week it has ben so since i recorded last podcast the how to become a consultant podcast has gone live,
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It’s awesome to just take with you guys on line and all that you’re doing so i get e-mails every single day about people that are growing a private practice that they are thriving that they’re struggling.
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[8:15] That they fail and some things that are so easy to implement me they’re just simple simple simple things on to almost guarantee and ensure success for you,
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I shake my head sometimes but i would on the exact same thing if i hadn’t taken the time to learn about how to run a private practice and.
When you check the link to for insurance as well start writing these things down family things to.
Go get in the show me something that i said was give me a shot of it’s not there to stop me an email cuz loops.
Me too today we have family andrew hale i’ve known them they been around town and chamber see.
Only works for a local foster care agency and she’s just been a great supporter of mental illness counseling drew is a local musician and my wife actually played violin with him.
And just the nicest couple in the world i mean they’re just such.
Those kind of people that you can just tell in their spirit they wanna make the world better than they found it.
Like you that the world is just there’s things going wrong in the world and they can just sit by and say oh that’s that’s what happened the world going to crap.
No they’re like we’re gonna take some action and we’re gonna change the world one family at a time and so.
I was at tax mental illness counting with the sponsor tax this year here in traverse city.
And drew give a tax talk and i was like i’m kind of emotional guy nothing cry everything but.
[9:54] Boy i drew drews tax talk was the only one i teared up for and it was because like homie like kids in foster care that are getting adopted and like their story.
It just it just is heart wrenching and i’ve done counseling with kids in foster care and you’ll you off.
I get a lot of people to interview that have been through foster care and my heart is still with those kids cuz just the stats are stacked against in regards to college in regards to.
Homelessness and just mean it’s tough and.
Emily and drew are trying to make a difference in the world a foster care and in the world of adoption and they just tell their story today and they talk about.
What she counselors know what what should case managers know and i don’t wanna reveal too much.
But it’s amazing it’s just so mean so we stepped out can of during our lunch hour when the new just finished eating that.
So we’re in the museum we screwed over the side of co here have talking in the back office with your live a tax.
Aug such great content so without any further ado i give you emily and drew hail.
Would you and emily welcome to the practice the practice podcast how you doing today okay are you i’m doing great like you just spoke your tax and it was awesome how was literally like crying and like holding back to.
Was such an impactful talk and maybe.
Start with a little bit about your story now i love your second the story you just told me let’s start there and then we can go from there.
[11:30] It’s one of my main passions now but it wasn’t always on that really kinda started with emily when we met.
It was our second date when she informed me that is foster care and adoption was something i was interested in that we need to go out again.
And i definitely want to go out with her again so we we talked about the possibilities and decided that it was something he wanted to do meeting through i have done a two year internship in birmingham alabama working with inner city kids outbreaks and.
Just no apparent during work how many kids are out there.
Properly and water on being raised by grandmothers or your siblings and so it was just the first time i’m really hoping which neither one.
Never did she back and its at for the whole vision for foster care.
[12:21] What’s the new guys decide to get licensed what happens after that we got married then years and we share everything numbers.
So we on the tips about a year to get licenses because we really wanted to think things through make sure that our home our family and our system is already.
Care for children and actually let me get there a couple who is with a woman now.
I think the future use only getting started she really helped us and talk to us to the process.
Finalize our license on january two thousand thirteen and it was less than two months later march first we gotta call from hunter and the mets game for the first time in the bethany parking lot at five pm.
Absolutely incredible and mind blowing and life changing and how do you how do you prepare for a baby to come in your life in two hours gonna call three o’clock in the afternoon and by five o’clock we had.
Literally packing the car headed straight.
Can’t forget my gas what most of us at forty weeks to plan hear the end lol yet you hours no preparing plan to make matters worse it repaired or home are license was your six year old is kind of a dream.
Determine and a friend bethany with lots of friends and they all told us we never get babies so we had our home ready for.
[13:51] Three year old kind of three schooler and soul baby was no where on our radar so they call this country will surely one of them course will take the placement figure it out later and then.
You at this point community really seems like i think it was on the phone.
We have for paul is good with babies who knows what they need who knows.
Who should i get it wasn’t because of what what was that thing able to gosh baby right really with the meaning.
That night while he was playing the game we had no less than ten people that showed up and remember that maggie he admitted that its like she went through and found it right away unlike.
My birthday and it was march and cold and also just really relying on the community to hear it.
Him on it every where so when i go to the gate we have a month old do everything it takes just get out of the house and then thinking about you had none of that.
Yeah so so then what happens like really i think the process started with him and it really.
It started well with his bio mom being in your parenting visits in and take care of resources.
[15:10] She just kinds dot do that kind of stuff showing up to twenty times correctly and eventually bite my about june she was completely out of his life from march until june.
Directions to the office lights to that point really began wrestling with okay what is going to happen what’s the future look like this child as family guy.
Kinda cannot works to a long feed mine paternity test yet okay so once.
My god will open while once that happened it was like wait a minute there’s this tv and there’s the family and i think that’s where our situation became very nice in that a lot of.
Foster families when i open lease start to come forward your instinct is to pull back child cater bar for youtube.
Child we’re in park east was just kind of a okay this is only in what world is.
Too many people loving a child that the right so we were very open to visiting time frame in its hands.
That’s the only song of theirs i had initially been this is my blood relative.
[16:23] Turn into i’m fifty six yrs old i wanna be with him if you hear what the part of the.
[16:32] I mean you are so i don’t want to get too attached to the hunter cuz he might use in your garden because i do like that thing that changed a stupid one especially when you bury for.
[16:43] And by that point his mom file one with the pictures it like i realized that we either it.
Are you gonna miss even warning that word because there is no one else yeah it really hard and we people staley family.
Do that you’re gonna or he’s gonna be confused.
We you know i ask for a particular what do i do because he needs to know what that word mean that there’s no one out and she told me.
[17:12] You could get hurt but it’s what’s best for him to get.
Why you know but it like it not with someone yesterday on justin he.
[17:25] Where she she found out at the end with her child with one that insecurity and she delivered the and it was her friend.
And so you look exactly what twenty one and child there with his skin there’s risk involved in the news for lasagna.
[17:44] People get ready to yeah you know i think the rest are there other foster care or yet biological children were just the only thing to.
Is your most often from people about why they don’t fosters that they are afraid to attach and lovechild and then and losing child.
But like em said when you love someone there’s always risk attached and loving these kids is worth the risk because the alternative is.
I’m in the dark yeah they have got the status is with like the percent of homeless.
Three astronauts stack so six months later after the hunter you guys get another call while things are just started to slow down we bought a house number.
Oh you know summer has been crazy with moving and then.
[18:35] Settle in houston we’re finally getting but we’re getting settled in and we get the call that says can you take placement.
When the boy and we initially thought no on.
In the meantime because i did not remove those things from here is it to do some more work with their bio mom.
How they stay in their own home for them on and then all of the month later in october and that we do need to remove the east when you are still the only when grand river county license for babies.
[19:10] And why is that when it was.
It wasn’t out of obligation by any means but we really felt that this was signed up for the really need to see if if we don’t step up who’s going.
So we decide to take place for the twins and i was in the best decisions we’ve ever made i thought our family really was come.
[19:31] No point community tv to play on it when i leave the twenty something ministry and that.
Actually both girls night at my house with all these girls for me to twenty to twenty five and so i sent a mass text.
I want to give the babies and helping me make dinner and and they with me they showed up and.
True again how to get the light seems to be a pattern and though i can show do you have any kids on his ipad so to tear down our.
Real and the girls showed up with food and travel babies and we made it work and then.
Progressively more community to make it work i think that’s really the moral of the story is.
[20:22] You create and that’s really that’s really what foster cares about is creepy create a community of your own.
[20:33] Because it is frustrating will never worked parenting will never work loving people will never worked.
[20:39] It’s always gonna be community that’s what we were created you were created to live in community and i believe that’s really how you been able to.
[20:48] It brings us to the question to orange.
And it’s like yeah we were afraid of the worst happens back from you and those boys have gone back biological families that were not.
To care for them and we have been heartbroken community still right and the wind picked up and the together and we wouldn’t start all over now during a ted talk.
You talked about the child’s parents talk little bit more about and what you see.
Yeah i agree with me i think that the mindset of adoption and foster care much of the time is that solution for people who don’t have kids and can’t have their own kids for.
So whatever reason are unable to biologically children and our heart was just that you know.
[21:36] There are so many kids in the system that need families and we talked about this the statistics for kids growing up in age.
Are incredible so we just we kinda took it upon ourselves to try to help people change the mindset that adoption is simply for people who already have their own.
That’s a solution for kids who don’t have parents and i think it can be a myriad of.
Can be people that are that have grown children that have moved out of their house and also that their child is for a little while.
[22:05] They’re still kids and then you know it could be people are in their early twenties who have.
Foster or adopted themselves you just want to give back it could be people that simply just have the heart to love the child it it looks.
[22:21] Basically it could be anybody and i think anybody as long as your willing to let the child can foster.
[22:29] So a lot of listeners are counselors which you councilors know there were three people that are fostering adopting kids about that would you observe that you think how solution.
I think encouraging people to seek counseling is probably one of the most important things that they could do justice looking for those signs of people that are kind of the.
Because i think when you jump in this process in your forced not forcing it was a choice but when you piper thrown into this whirlwind of okay now we have a baby no lights.
[23:01] You’re kind that you can start to spiral and work on things and almost makes you clam up and stick to stick to yourself and maybe to a couple other people and i think we’re looking for the signs.
[23:14] That’s use this for me and now i have a lot to talk about new problem with counseling i have a counselor and it’s been amazingly helpful through this process but i’ve watched people who are adopting who are going to foster care.
Begin to kind of retreat back into themselves and and not reach out because they’re just exhausted so the kind of within themselves and everything.
And how would just encourage counselors to not let people not talk to encourage conversation ask lots of questions.
And obviously counseling is is about missing you much much of the time and not just for that pops up for the appeal right now with fuse with between bio mom three mentioned in its ted talk that we got a phone call one random night.
Mom said you never leave my rights and we were floored because she was on track to get them on board for biggest downfall she was willing to check up all the boxes and do everything the answer to do.
The culture of account for the protection she’s window and in the end that was for.
Physically and mentally prepared take them back but emotionally she does didn’t do the work of one i’m not sure i’m not sure that.
She wants to eat some level but i think part of are new that this was passing i think there’s that does that danger.
Tried getting in the way i have to do this and what people think lesson you have to question i would say.
[24:40] Whether that’s a great looking what’s best italian.
Can we become part live score i’ll family looking at sites for allowing springs to have a relationship after tablet.
[24:54] The more we talk about this.
So as your boys develop i mean every development of these will have its own unique challenges being adopted but we got.
How to handle that maybe having your cycle handle that afterward pass this up from the very beginning i think he made the decision that we were gonna.
How effective are adopted not that he just referring to he’s old enough now he.
Garbage the government should you know something that funny joke because.
University of the culture of adopted children that we have found ourselves just naturally we’re friends another couple that adopted and we have very good friends.
The children are biological and she jokes that her kids are going to struggle the reading for the day that rosie like.
What is it like all my pregnant so i’m very grateful for that he counted actually that there is no shortage.
Yeah and i met with an adult woman yesterday was adopted and she through our conversation you know that.
I just bought that really helped me growing up now she’s in her late twenties now and to think i don’t.
What’s gonna be on so yeah there’s a lot of resources out there for one to talk to your kids it just making it a natural color of your mercy.
Early on the twenty bro you know you watch the movies and there’s all these movies and tv shows the.
[26:24] Adult children finding out most powerful way better parent than lying to them all their lives but not gonna be the only person resources that have been.
Really helpful tuesday counselors can recommend the have line.
Can you think of anything else right the top of my think of any i can put on the show answer yes there maybe things in the show netflix that are listening right now that we don’t mention here.
I would just say that i think for us the decision to make sure they are kids never feel like adoptions shane.
What’s most important to us so i plan to continue to talk to him about what that means what it means to us and what it means for them as well as we are passionate about.
[27:04] My family being part of their lives and figuring out how to.
Appropriate family into the life because he said before i don’t think it could ever have to many kids no lights or too many people in the last.
I think the average two of as your talking to them like with carb with it’s important is that we teach them that you were adopted because of something.
They are of the are you know when it will be in every paper and also recognizing yes absolutely like.
[27:37] Search are waiting which is the direction they think it was a very celebratory.
It was also wondering processes that was the day that they are people is their biological family.
Ever been so we won’t recognize it is classified as.
Looking to the happy family because we do but there’s also other side to it going to deal with all of the one question i always and interviews with his every counselor in america were listening right now what would you want.
[28:10] No pressure i would say to encourage people that it’s okay to not be okay.
Because in in the midst this process you can help if you let yourself feel what button should be feeling you’re gonna not be okay yeah how can you look at it.
From their family anyone want any stage of their life and be okay with that right you don’t get a foster parent and unless.
When i say that its okay to not be okay and that people need to know that they don’t have to have all together um weather that’s file parent.
And also maybe something for the counselor secure for them to share with.
The more the people that are in counseling talk about their experiences and counseling the more we destroy the stigma that going to count.
For the word you’re not a good mom because your seeking counseling we’re not a good dad not strong enough you need to talk to me about it.
I forgot to add the more we talk about foster care the more address that is top on you because there’s someone to order right if you don’t talk to people that have been.
Getting counseling sharing the facts about something from them people don’t know what that was like for me my wife and i are consumers there is.
There’s hardly it will have the kids in the just like come up where you can use bites over means.
Everything is so what should i do yeah business now i would say we.
[29:49] Romans fourteen out of you without coach and in the same way you can expect a marriage to be healthy without.
Okay sure someone to this couple got this that there.
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